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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:59 pm   Post subject: Preparation of Heavy Clay Soil for Gardening


Yesterdays lecture was very interesting and the information will come in very handy when I am getting two new bed areas ready to plant this spring.

Her first 'commandment' was to have a soil test done to see what we are working with and need to add or restrict. Adding minerals and other things to your soil simply because someone has said it works great for what they are growing could very possbily toxify your soil and kill plants. i.e..... she has sandy soil in her garden with totally different requirements than were I live with the heavy clay soil and she only lives 20 minutes away from me.

The soil in Dallas County is black clay, strongly Alkaline with very high levels of Phosphorus and Potassium. To lower the pH levels you can add lots of organic matter such as ..... finished compost, well rotted manure, finely shredded bark.

The fertilizer, organic or not, that is best for our black clay is a 24-0-0 with at least 50% of the Nitrogen being slow release.

In heavy clay soil, Nitrogen is almost always too low, over watering the garden or heavy rains will leach it out of the soil.
In heavy clay soil Phosphorus is almost always very high.
Do NOT add additional Phosphorus to heavy clay soil, it will toxify the soil.
Heavy clay soil is almost always very high in Potassium,
Do NOT add additional Potassium to heavy clay soil, it will toxify the soil.

To improve drainage of heavy clay soil....add as much organic matter as possible and do NOT work in the soil when it is wet that breaks down the structure of the clay and depletes the oxygen. Also, do not add sand to heavy clay in an effort to improve drainage.....Sand + Clay = Concrete.

Three good organisms to have in soil are worms, good nematodes and snakes. Snakes also fly really well when you find one, automatic reflex kicks in and you fling it across the yard. But then that is just my experience. Wink

The most common deficiencies in our county are Nitrogen deficiency from too much water, Oxygen deficiency also from too much water and Iron deficiency (Chlorosis) from too much Phosphorus. All three conditions can be remedied by adding finished compost to the soil. If using undecomposed organic matter be sure to add Nitrogen to conteract the depletion caused by the decomposing of the organic matter.

A remedy for poor drainage, lack of oxygen and highly Alkaline pH in heavy clay soil is organic material and Expanded Shale. Shale is a rock, Expanded Shale has been heated, not to the breaking point, but just enough to cause cracks that will hold oxygen in the soil. It does NOT break down like compost or get used up, it is virtually in the bed forever, adds no nutritive value to the soil and does not affect fertilization. Incorporate 3 inches of expanded shale into a bed, work in as much organic matter as you can and plant as usual.

Mulch, mulch, mulch. Check the salinity of the mulch you plan on using, manures and sludge are usually saline and can cause problems unless used in moderation.
If using organic mulches that will decompose over time be sure to provide additional Nitrogen at the rate of 1/2 pound of slow release Nitrogen per 10 cubic feet of mulch. Many fresh materials used as mulch require this to avoid Nitrogen tie-up.

Finished compost is matter that has decomposed to the point where it is impossible to tell what it originally was. If you can still see leaves, etc. in the compost and wish to use it, then remember to add nitrogen when you do.

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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:14 pm   Post subject:


Thanks Toni for sharing another of your classes with us. I have clay soil and learned a few things.
Quote:
do not add sand to heavy clay in an effort to improve drainage.....Sand + Clay = Concrete.

I have read about adding sand to improve drainage...glad I didn't!

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:51 am   Post subject:


I knew that I had a nitrogen problem but rarely heard anyone else say anything about it. I add wood ashes to my garden and it seems to be of little affect in my cay soil and I believed that it was doing more harm than good. I have never seen a fertilizer of 24-0-0 and I wondered if it would burn easily. Maybe this is the year that I have my best garden. I am so thankful for the info. I will look into fertilizer with a high nitrogen content.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:21 am   Post subject:


Wow Toni
I copied this post into a word document for me and will print it out for myself - this is a great way to remedy clay soil.
Thanks for sharing your lectures with us. It is much appreciated. Stew Face 1


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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:23 pm   Post subject:


So glad you all found the tips useful. This weeks class is on rain water collection.

Wood ashes are highly alkaline, have no nitrogen but do contain Potassium and Phosphorus...the two things that most clay soil does not need. Have you had a soil test done? Caloway Gardens is doing one free per person until sometime in March, if there is one close to you or your country extension office can help you out too.

I found a bag of all nitrogren fertilizer at a local Feed Store, some organic garden centers are beginning to carry it around here also.

Fertilize only in warm weather, in spring after the plants are actively growing. Chemical fertilizer in early spring can burn the new growth, in the fall it will be wasted if the soil is too cold.
Organic fertilizer only breaks down when the soil is warm.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:34 pm   Post subject:


That is awesome info Toni,,, i don't have clay soil here on this farm but the farm way at the other end of the fjørd does. Hauan (i call it Hawaii) i don't plant there at all,, to far, and you can only get there by boat, but it is good to know should we choose to expand our crops one day.

can i ask, was there a lesson inbetween the relaxing and meditation styles and this one? I don't want to miss any of the lessons...lol.


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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:51 pm   Post subject:


Biita wrote:

can i ask, was there a lesson inbetween the relaxing and meditation styles and this one? I don't want to miss any of the lessons...lol.


Yes there was one between those two, it was on gardening in the shade and I was very disappointed in it. The MG only plants Caladium, Mondo Grass, Nandina and Asian Jasmine under the several large Hackberry trees he has on his 1.25 acres of land. He buys and plants several hundred Caladium bulbs every spring. And he had over an hours worth of slides that showed everyone of those caladiums. He had a couple of slides of his version of a cottage garden in a somewhat sunny location but couldn't identify most of the plants he had in it. He gave us a list of plants, only 5 of the 72 were appropriate for shade and none of those five are in his gardens.
I was not impressed at all.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:30 pm   Post subject:


geeeez,, i sure wish he would of done better. Doesn't he know i have a whole side of my home that gets nothing but the northern light in summer! geez some people i tell ya,,, lol. just kidding here. but honestly if you or any one knows of some plants that can stand the cooler northern side of my home. with only morning sun that is weak.. i would be greatful. its gets all that sun all night long an into the morning but just as it heats up,, its gone. sigh.


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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:04 pm   Post subject:


I googled a source for nitrogen and Bloodmeal came up. I am away from home and cannot check with my co-op to check what they have. But I am so happy with the info on bloodmeal. I used cottonseed meal years ago and my garden did shout, but thats where a lot of weeds entered in.

I will be low in my aggression when aplying the bloodmeal. We have so much rain in th spring and it is stated that it will dissolve quickly and leach out so I will come up with a good strategy. Bloodmeal is a little expensive in the small boxes that it is available in at W-Mart. So, I should not buy too much at one time a burn new roots.

I am really excited and I tried to sign up for a Master Gardener class this spring, but they haven't gotten back with me about a scheduling problem. I bet I have the same problem of disappointment with the presentations if I am lucky enough to get in theis year.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:24 pm   Post subject:


Now I must say that I cannot wait for the rainwater collection lecture.
That would be right up my interest alley since we get winter rainfall for about two months of the year and I can really make use with extra water for my garden.
Oooohhh Toni - this is so exciting. You are a good tutor yourself - we are learning a whole lot from you and your master gardener class. Stew Face 1


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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:03 pm   Post subject:


Thanks Toni... this is so helpful. Your classes are going to help a lot of us. I was wondering how school was going, now we all know Wink


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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:26 pm   Post subject:


Thank you so much for taking the time to type these out for us - another heavy clay person over here, trying various things... very useful stuff, especially about not adding too much phosphorus, etc.

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:39 pm   Post subject:


Wow, I never realized that so many gardeners outside of my area were "blessed" with clay soil. Shocked
Hope the info from helps make beautiful gardens for everyone.
Glad everyone is finding something helpful from my notes.

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:39 pm   Post subject: Clay is a test


Clay is more than a challenge; it is a test. That's how God knows you are serious about gardening. I feel especially blessed, because he cares enough to give me red clay on one side of my house and yellow on the other with a shallow slate mine in the middle and behind. I just keep shoveling in the compost and seeking out plants that seem to like living in the muck

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