Question about rose care & pruning, advice wanted

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  1. Cayuga Morning

    Cayuga Morning Strong Ash Plants Contributor

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    Hi all,

    Despite the fact that I have 5 roses on my home property and a sixth one at the Community Garden, i have never studied up on how to take care of them. They all just fend for themselves.

    I thought this was just fine, but maybe it isn't so great.

    Here is Abraham Darby. I love the flowers, but
    he has always flopped badly. The stems aren't strong enough to hold up the blooms. Should I be pruning this guy in some way to get stronger stems? The only reason the upper blooms are not flopping is that I have staked them. PXL_20210608_115206315.MP_compress21.jpg

    If pruning will help, when is the best time to do it? Next spring? How do I do it?

    Next question:. This rose is Yellow Simplicity.
    The only pruning I have ever done is to cut out dead canes. But I really don't like it's shape. It's sticking up like it thinks it's a pool cue. Too tall for the other plants around it. So, similar question when & how do I prune it? PXL_20210608_115438297_compress83.jpg
    On second thought maybe it's taking it's "cue" from the patio umbrella. Do roses "imprint themselves" on the nearest object like ducks do?

    Here it is again:. See it's bare legs? Maybe it thinks it's a banty rooster. PXL_20210608_115430093_compress86.jpg
     
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    Sjoerd Mighty Oak

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    I hesitate commenting on this subject because it can be a bit precise.
    Here, I prune my roses in the early spring. That window has passed.
    But where on the stems and ‘how’ is the sticky part. The pruning has to do with what shape you want to achieve among other things.
     
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    Cayuga Morning Strong Ash Plants Contributor

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    Next spring then. I was assuming that. I guess I'll turn to the web for advice. Thanks
     
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    Cutting the long stemmed roses is something I am learning now. I have 5 hybrid teas and they are just odd. I see they have a ebb and flow in the growing season as they produce flowers and fade back. You have some large blooms that make me think they are so hybridized that they cannot exist without your support.
     
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    Not sure about the first one but the yellow one you can cut the stems back after the flowers have finished on that stem. Cut it to a bud in the leaf axle about 5 leaves down, you could cut it back a bit more than that. In the spring you can cut it back more about 20 inches from the base, we usually do it in march but it could be april.it might be a tall variety that grows up straight.
     
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    Just looked up the first one Abraham Darby, it's a David Austin shrub rose that can be used as a small climber.But if you want it as a bush just prune it in spring like the other one, some roses are inclined to have floppy flowers as if the flowers are too heavy for the stem.
     
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    Cayuga Morning Strong Ash Plants Contributor

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    Thanks Logan. I'll cut the stems back more after the bloom, then plan on pruning them come spring time.

    Re Abraham Darby, I'll do the same. I think it just is a flopper. I'll try to wind it in the fence for more support new spring.
     
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    Your welcome:)
     
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    Your Abraham Darby. Bred by David Austin 1985. (Aloha x Yellow Cushion). Marketed as a shrub rose with a height growth to about 1.6 m. However due to it's manner of growth, it is often grown as a climber. Advantages of the latter form of cultivation are. The often leggy stems can be supported. Then due to the weight and size of the blooms, less concern over the droopy nature. Sadly some great roses have been bred having very weak flowering stems. Ena Harkness, still considered one if not the best of reds and fragrance. Great blooms but weak necks. I suggest. Provide a trellis, and and grow as a climber. Prune at the start of spring.

    Yellow Simplicity. It's natural growth is much suited as a hedge rose. Suggest providing support. It is at the moment, 'top heavy'. I'd be inclined to reduce the height, then probably train it to a trellis and keep it at a managable height. Hope this helps.
     
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    I'm a learner too on the subject of roses, and have only just ventured out with them on the new beds. After a year now I've decided to try and make roses the predominant subject of one of the beds, and have found that many of the other plants in this bed have had to be moved in order to see the beauty of the roses. It seems we have something of an expert here, and I know where to come if I have any questions @MIKE ALLEN
    I have been eyeing up those roses in @Logan 's garden too :scheming:
     
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    Thanks @Tetters I can only tell you some of the names of them and they're HTs
    The names are Scented memory, scent- sasion, indian summer, warm wishes,tiqeila sunrise, they do get black spot but I don't bother about it, they recover well.got them from Cant's roses Colchester online, can order them now.
     
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    You can get really nice bare rooted roses from ''Cottage memories '' Logan. They are £8.50 each - wholesale price. Mike Allen will back me up I reckon, as he bought some there too. They are quality, and can be ordered now for November delivery.
    I have ordered ''Freedom'' ''Oranges & Lemons'' ''With Thanks'' ''Fragrant Cloud'' ''Rachel Loise Moran'' ''Marjorie Fair'' and 3 ''Super Troupers'' - 3 because they are favourite at the moment, orange, very floriferous, and very healthy. I already have one in the new long bed.
    I'm really looking forward to year two on those new beds, but still some work to do on clearing, cutting back and mulching - especially now we've had some good rain.
     
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    Yes, I purchased some roses from Cottage memories. Like Tetters, I have to say, i'm well pleased. My selection were potted plants. They were repotted into 15Ltr pots as soon as received, and are doing well. Without doubt I will be buying more from this outlet
     
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    Thank you @Tetters and @MIKE ALLEN they're about the same price for some of them at Cant's roses but some are over £10. bare root.
    I'm trying my hand at rooting cuttings and I managed to graft a rootstock with one. I'm really pleased that it worked.
    I get a couple of roses of the same sending up suckers so a few years ago I pulled 2 off and rooted it in a pot over winter and looked on YouTube how to graft them.
     
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    Sadly, due to covid etc growers have bumped up their prices to help themselves. I very much doubt, prices will fall.
    Just a point with your suckers. Remember. The suckers are from an unknown rootsock, as far as you are concerned. If you tell me the name of the rose, I might be able to find the rootstock.
     
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