Windows 11

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  1. Doghouse Riley

    Doghouse Riley Young Pine

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    Just read this on an audio equipment restoration message board.

    If you are using a windows base machine you need to watch this.
    Microsoft has drawn an arbitrary line and declared that PCs and laptops with processors from only a few years ago (even 2018) won't work with Windows 11. This is crazy and Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.

    Windows 11 won't support Intel Core chips like the i3, i5, i7, etc that are older than the 8th generation or AMD Ryzen 3/5/7 processors before the 3xxx series. The Ryzen 3 3xxx only came out in 2019!


    I'll leave it alone as I've an HP Probook i5 laptop.
     
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    Dirtmechanic Young Pine

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    Actually its another chip, a hardware authentication scheme, much like (gasp!) a key. Those older chips may not have one, but they can be purchased separately and added later. Still, one should be aware of the numbers behind the chip name, as the digits prior to the last 3 indicate the generation of the chips and that goes to crunching power. The intel chips are in the 11,000's now, or the 11th generation. It kept bothering me that my i5-650 was crawling like a snail. I thought all i5's were the same. Not close. Thats what I get for thinking.
     
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    Doghouse Riley Young Pine

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    I've an old HP i5 laptop running Windows with that processor 10 and it works fine for me, I'm reluctant to upgrade.

    I once had an Epson stylus photo RX620 printer which was excellent, it would even convert transparencies to contact prints. But an upgrade to the next Windows programme meant that it wouldn't recognise it. It would still work as a copier, but no other way.
    I've now got a Canon Pixma TS8151, which uses the Canon Image Garden photo programme, which is excellent. But as a printer, "it takes an unconscionable amount of time," to make up its mind to print, with a lot of whirring and clicking going on before it does anything.
    I buy my cartridges from eBay, less than half the price of those from Canon, who probably don't make carts themselves, they'll buy them in, from a cartridge manufacturer.
     
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    Doghouse Riley Young Pine

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    Whenever I have a Windows update, it tells me my laptop won't support Windows 11.
    Do I care? I've clicked on "don't show me this again."
     
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    Very normal.. tech gotta advance …
     
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    Yes, but usually at the consumer's unnecessary expense.


    My son-in-law has a small IT company. Twenty years ago, his company was asked, (he'd been recommended) to take over the maintenance of a local large health insurance company's IT system, as that provided by the firm who installed the system, (it cost £7M) wanted more than they wanted to pay, as it was increasing by ridiculous amounts each year.

    On a visit, he was asked if he would install some additional terminals. He was told there was all the old computer equipment in the basement. He went down and had a look at what they had and see if there was anything that could be re-used.The complete former mainframe was there.
    He came back and spoke to the "IT Manager," In those days, the job was often given to a manager who didn't have a lot to do, who had little IT knowledge. He often got paid for IT jobs for some big companies where the cost centre quoted had nothing to do with IT, to disguise the fact that they couldn't cope with it within house.
    Anyway, he asked this guy why they'd changed the system and got told because "it wouldn't do this, that and the other."
    He didn't enlighten him, but he knew it would.
     
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    Pacnorwest Young Pine

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    Doesn’t everyone get updates for all your apps and programs . I have updates that are automatically updated. This keeps my iPad up to date.
     
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    Yes i have to agree with you on all technic used equipments regarding pc's, tablets and phones :like:
     
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    There is a theme in security revolving around the big or actually fantastically huge number theory. Bitcoin for example supposedly is a number that cannot be replicated. It is also a number that takes a high speed processor 1200 usd in electricity to create. The windows 11 paradigm is screw all that, here is a local actual chip so try to fake that one you thieves. One day they may fake a bitcoin number, but not hardware. TPM is what I think MS is calling that win 11 security requirement. Just know that you might be better off with Linux OS instead of a win 10 or older. Try Ubuntu, as they have security updates and the old processors system support the code.
     
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    I've sorted out my Microsoft Mail access.

    My Virgin Media mail was working well, so I wasn't too bothered that Microsoft Mail wouldn't work.
    But as an experiment, I've just changed my password on Virgin and Microsoft Mail is working again!

    Don't you just love Windows?
     
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    Yeah, no reason not to layer generationally cued menu items over the original switches and commands, because while computers do the same old thing with zeros and ones the young people coming along have to make new words and symbols for words so every new software version is just a warm fuzzy blanket you have to peel back in order to make the clunker object code work together. I swear its almost enough to make me spend 4x as much on Apple products.
     
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    This does seem arbitrary and could potentially leave a lot of users with perfectly functional machines unable to upgrade.
     
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    Not perfectly...without the security chips the older machines incapable of defending their owners need to be retasked, separated from finances for sure and stripped of personal data at a minimum. If they are logged into a wifi and left with internet access they become the path to access your home. A good use might be as a TV storage tivo or to run lights and switches or be a server terminal. But Ai might change this.
     
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    Bill's other business ventures, daughters wedding all leads to make the consumer shell out money.
     
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    It does seem a bit unfair to leave out some fairly recent processors. But hey, that's how tech companies operate sometimes, right? Your HP Probook i5 should still serve you well for a good while, even if it can't make the jump to Windows 11. It's always a bit disappointing when you can't have the latest and greatest, but remember that older hardware can be surprisingly reliable and capable. If you ever decide to upgrade or if you need a legit Windows key, you can check out https://digitalchillmart.com/product/windows-11-pro-32-64-bit/. They might have what you need at a reasonable price.
     
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