Oval leaves possibly a 4o'clock? CONFIRMED

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  1. waretrop

    waretrop Strong Ash Plants Contributor

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    Can't anyone see that they have the same name. Even if they are in a different family I don't think they can have the same name in nomenclature.

    Please someone help me understand this?

    Barb in Pa.
     
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    cherylad Countess of Cute-ification Plants Contributor

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    That confuses me too Barb.
    Hope someone can come along and clear it up.
     
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    purpleinopp Young Pine Plants Contributor

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    Barb, that looks like M. jalapa to me. Was it sticking out of the soil like that when you got it? Are the flowers fragrant?
     
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    and this Nice color cheryl :-D
     



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  5. waretrop

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    Mine is definately a M. jalapa. It is a Caudiciform. That is having a caudex. That is what you are seeing there. It's supposed to be sticking out of the ground and yes, that is how I bought it. Note i was $18 about 20 years ago. You all wouldn't be buying plants or seeds like that. Would you?

    The flower looks very much like cherylad's. It does not smell and only lasts a day. This fatplant can not take the cold and must live in my greenhouse in Winters.

    Barb in Pa.
     
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    Barb in PA, I think I misunderstood, sorry, thought you were trying to ID your plant.

    The ones I've grown from seed do the same thing, make a huge tuber, but the tuber part always stays under ground. They can be as big as a football. When I've dug them up to move them, I've always buried that part again. There's one here that's almost 20 years old.

    The exposed tuber makes an interesting pot, glad I saw it. Agree about the flowers lasting only one day (night.) Don't think I've ever seen a plant for sale, just the seeds. A plant with the tuber sticking up like that, I would have noticed! I also wish I knew what causes stronger fragrance at different times and in different plants. Curious to hear what others say!
     
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    I can't believe this is the same plant. So, in the fatplant world, some of these mature plants bring very big money. I do know, once they are grown underground, they are very hard to keep alive when that caudex is exposed to air. If you expose it a little at a time, it may successfully become a fatplant and become very expensive.

    I love mine and really have had it for 18 years in my greenhouse. Of course, we get very cold here.

    Barb in Pa.
     
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    Barb, This is confusing due to the structure of classification of the plant.

    The genus is the: mirabilis

    Family name is: nyctaginaceae

    cultivar name is: M. jalapa

    common name is: four o'clocks.

    I don't think you have a different plant than Cheryl, just a much older plant due to you keeping it in the greenhouse for so long. I have never heard of a plant being referred to as a fatplant. What is that? I am not at all familiar with the term. Thanks
     
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    A fatplant is any plant that forms a caudex, or a fat, succulent base that stores water. A sea onion, Adenium obesum, also known as, the desert rose, pregnant onion, are fatplants and are usually from Africa but also from all over the world.

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    Gerrardanthus macrorhizus

    The above are some of what I have in my collection. They are my favorite plants..

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    Holy moly!! :eek:
    Barb... why haven't you shared these unique beauties with us before? Or did I just miss them?
     
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    cherylad, :D :D You really are funny. I don't know if I posted these anywhere but they have been in "my garden" here forever.

    As I have said many times before I know nothing about native plants or should I say plants that live outside in my cold Winters.They are what we call exotics. What would "our chololate" call them.

    :D Barb in Pa.
     
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    Ah, Thank you Barb. I have never heard that term in the industry, but I was on the other end of the spectrum, I worked in greenhouses and flowershop retail, not collecting. I never had a place to keep plants before my greenhouse. Now I want a sunroom when I remodel my kitchen, not just a wall knocked out and cabinets and appliances moved around....Oh dear, that means farmers markets for the rest of my life, I do believe :rolleyes: . I hope I am up to it.
     
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    I don't know why greenhouses don't carry more caudicorms. I guess because they are more expensive and usually ugly to the average person. I did know of one that got in a few at a time. They were cheep ones and young. I snatched them up quickly every time I saw them. You do find the Desert Rose but it is not commonly noted to be a fatplant.

    Barb in Pa.
     
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    Well this is fascinating, sorry I didn't know what you meant either. Love the stuff I learn on the internet! Thanks for sharing the pics, you have some wild plants, Barb.
     

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